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Hurricane prophecy demonstrates the true odds ...
10/24/07 at 12:55:07
 
First, let me say that I wish Chris the best and hope he returns soon.  If he does return, I've got a serious math problem for him, which should peak his curiosity some.  I also request the help of the readership here.

If you study carefully the odds of a prediction, you can figure out if a prophet is real or a fake.  What I am about to show the crowd here is very real, but if my math is wrong, please let me know.  I'm an average math student, but eager to learn.

On July 22, 2007 I proposed a hurricane contest on
[another forum] I frequent, called Armageddononline.org.  I have no moderating rights there and never have, but regardless, any edition is time stamped.  It's an interesting little crew of free radicals whose main concern is with the end of the world.  Various web crawlers, Webarchive, and Google cache save copies of this work.

The thread I'm going to take you to is entitled
["2007 Hurricane Season."]    There are a lot of photos of this and that, but the real meat of what I want you to see, is located on [post #4]  and [post #5.]

The contest I proposed to members of the forum this year, listed two simple criteria.  Pick the ...

1) Strongest Atlantic storm, in terms of the lowest pressure reached.

2) Most devastating strike on the U.S. mainland, in terms of dollars.


Although the 2007 hurricane season isn't officially over until November, for most weather hounds who follow the season carefully, the upper level winds are so unfavorable right now, that it's difficult to imagine any further serious development, this year.  

To figure the odds of getting each and even both questions correct, I put on my thinking cap and have done some rough calculations for the contest.  The problem was a lot simpler than I first thought, as it's really a simple equation of proportions.  
I could be forgetting something, so if any variable is omitted, please fill me in.  I've also proposed the equation on a statistical forum for their review and feedback.

According to a recent article in
[Science Daily,] the long-term average number of named storms in the Atlantic any give year is
10, and the long term average strike potential on the U.S. mainland is 0.5.  

So the equation for getting both variables correct is as follows.

10/1 X 10/0.5 =200/1 The odds of getting both Dean and Humberto correct.  The odds of getting them in the correct order is further multiplied by 2 for an over all ratio of
400 to 1.

Now I don't know how many here have ever gambled, but I used to play the horses.  I played them for years, and I never once hit an Exacta that would of paid me $800 for a $2 wager.  I can't recall ever even seeing one, although I imagine that they occur on occasion.  However, the field of horses would almost certainly be greater than the number of named storms we've had this season.  By the way, an "exacta" is where you pick the first and second place finishers in a horse race.

Any help with my math is appreciated, especially from Chris.  I've come to love him as much as everyone else here, and I know that he likes an intellectual challenge.   So is my math correct?  If it is, then we'll move on the next set of variables, because this goes well beyond a simple hurricane contest.  I've got many more related variables.

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Re: Hurricane prophecy demonstrates the true odds
Reply #1 - 10/24/07 at 16:34:15
 
Well.

What I'm getting at here, from what you're saying, is this cool, beloved guy Christodd is the real deal that statistics back up.  The odds are in his favor.  God's house always wins!  (The academics love statistics too - they'd even raise an eyebrow - nicely done good sir for this thread.)  

And when he gets back he should go to Vegas with you and unload this prophecy on a blackjack table - pay off the moderators on this site - and become forum n' chief of staff.  Further ascending to astronomical levels of popularity right into the national spotlight; where fans will holler, "I love Christodd, he's an inspiration!  He's a pretty good black jack player too, by the way. Vegas naturally, kicked him out of town -- He laughed the whole way home making it in time for dinner."


God Bless Chris and his return!  Cheesy

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Reply #2 - 10/24/07 at 20:23:57
 
Something tells me (and I'm an English teacher with virtually no math skills), that you are somehow lowballing these numbers. I don't think it is a mere doubling of the odds from 200 to 400 that is in order - the other dynamics still remained in play for each storm, so the order must be figured against all the other possible orders as well. In any event, I suspect that getting both correct, and in the correct order may be an astromnomically huge number; not just some puny 800 to 1.  But then again, I teach English! Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - 10/24/07 at 20:59:59
 
nana wrote on 10/24/07 at 20:23:57:
Something tells me (and I'm an English teacher with virtually no math skills), that you are somehow lowballing these numbers. I don't think it is a mere doubling of the odds from 200 to 400 that is in order - the other dynamics still remained in play for each storm, so the order must be figured against all the other possible orders as well. In any event, I suspect that getting both correct, and in the correct order may be an astromnomically huge number; not just some puny 800 to 1.  But then again, I teach English! Roll Eyes

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  I'm not very good at math either, as I was a chem. major, and we worked mostly with proportions, which were relatively easy.  

I'm not "low balling" on purpose, but I've tried to make the argument as simply as possible.  From a basic study of probability, which I have done on my own, I've discovered that simplicity is the best road to take, and usually yields the correct answer for this type of problem.  The variables, which I have not shown yet, will increase the odds dramatically.

So far, it sounds like I've what you're saying is ... the calculations are at least reasonable from a common sense standpoint, which is a valid method of observation too.  After all, if this can't pass the smell test, then what good is it?
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Reply #4 - 10/27/07 at 09:36:44
 
I am not really sure what I am reading.  Are you saying that you predicted these?
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Reply #5 - 10/27/07 at 10:21:33
 
Laelle wrote on 10/27/07 at 09:36:44:
I am not really sure what I am reading.  Are you saying that you predicted these?
Yes, that is correct.  I selected two categories, hoping it would give people a greater chance at getting one hurricane correct.

It gets even more amazing, however, because my motive behind those two selections will reveal odds of even higher probability.  In other words, my reason for selecting the #4 and the #8 storm are outlined in other posts.  It's a solid case for the readership here to observe and learn from, because the outcome isn't vague at all.  Dean at 906 millibars, was indeed the strongest storm so far, in terms of pressure in the Atlantic, and Humberto, which surprised everyone by developing so rapidly and close to land, was the costliest land falling hurricane of the season in the U.S.
[Check the data for yourselves.]  Although Wiki isn't the best source for school work, it's a good starting point reference.  

I'm looking for help with the math.  This is a black and white prediction and outcome.  Not some vague "I've got a feeling" scenario.  I rolled two dice and saw them stand on their corners.


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Reply #6 - 10/27/07 at 11:18:16
 
Why do you care so much about the odds?
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Reply #7 - 10/27/07 at 12:33:07
 
Laelle wrote on 10/27/07 at 11:18:16:
Why do you care so much about the odds?  

Is the motive for my curiosity really that mysterious?  If you had picked not one, but TWO storms correctly, wouldn't you be a little curious how great the odds were?
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Reply #8 - 10/28/07 at 15:01:42
 
For such a powerful group of "prophets," there sure isn't much interest in REAL numbers.  It's a little more lively over on [unexplained-mysteries.com.]
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Reply #9 - 10/29/07 at 09:17:44
 
I dont see the point of havin 2 discussions the same goin on therefore Im deletin the other one
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Reply #10 - 10/29/07 at 10:54:26
 

Thanks Mom, so sweet of you to drop by for a visit.  Are you good at math?  I've got some homework that is very hard, and no one seems able to help me with it.
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Reply #11 - 10/29/07 at 13:04:39
 
Is that the dulcet tones of sarcasm I detect?  Smiley
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Reply #12 - 10/29/07 at 14:53:18
 
Raptor Witness. I think you have chosen the wrong site to post
your question.  I think a math site would be better.  From past
experience, I dont believe that psychics and prophets use a math
equation to come up with predictions.  Wink I could be wrong.
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Reply #13 - 10/30/07 at 02:51:32
 
The truth is I have been told of many things that have come true in my life, but it makes me neither a prophet or anyone of any more substance than anyone else.  

A prophet is not known by keeping count of the things he says that comes true, a prophet is chosen by God at a particular moment in time to impart spiritual / physical knowledge on his creation.  All of the prophets in the bible were simple men made great men by God, not great men made God's by God.  the prophets served God, led people, built arcs...in essence, fulfilled the will of God.  

I am not saying that God did not impart this knowledge about the hurricanes on you, but what I am asking you is "What are you going to do with this knowledge?"  Why waste time on counting the odds of it happening? It did happen......now what does he want you to do with it?

This is just the way I feel about it....
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Reply #14 - 11/01/07 at 10:08:40
 
ummie wrote on 10/29/07 at 14:53:18:
Raptor Witness. I think you have chosen the wrong site to post
your question.  I think a math site would be better.  From past
experience, I dont believe that psychics and prophets use a math
equation to come up with predictions.  Wink I could be wrong.
I agree that there aren't many critical thinkers here, but I can always hope.

I didn't use a "math equation" to come up with my prediction. I came up with the
[number four storm,(see reply 11] which was hurricane Dean, because of an earlier prophecy I made regarding NASA on May 7, 2007, that included a strange picture of a #4 train moving swiftly towards the observer.  

If you'll recall, the space shuttle Endeavour abandoned the International Space Station
[a day early,] due to that #4 Storm.
In essense, the number four storm made UNIQUE history, because it forced what amounted to a route of the International Space Station, to occur.

According to former astronaut
[Buzz Aldrin,] there's only a 1 or 2 percent chance of the space shuttle having to leave a day early due to the weather generally, which would make the odds of having to leave due to a hurricane even greater.

So you MUST now take the current odds of 400/1 and multiply by Buzz Aldrin's conservative estimate that #4 Dean would route NASA from the International Space Station 400/1 X 50/1 =
20,000 to 1.

Perhaps even more interesting, when Dean is coupled with hurricane Felix, a new historical record was achieved, that being the first time [in HISTORY] that two category 5's have made landfall in a season.  Since this hasn't happened in the past hundred + years, when record keeping began, we can conservatively assume that two category 5's making landfall is an event which is likely to occur, at best once every 50 years.  Which means that the odds on getting the curious train track configuration and prediction correct, must be far greater.  Probably only once every 250 years, if that.  So you multiply 250/1 X 20,000/1 = 5,000,000 to 1.



Laelle wrote on 10/30/07 at 02:51:32:
The truth is I have been told of many things that have come true in my life, but it makes me neither a prophet or anyone of any more substance than anyone else.  

A prophet is not known by keeping count of the things he says that comes true, a prophet is chosen by God at a particular moment in time to impart spiritual / physical knowledge on his creation.  All of the prophets in the bible were simple men made great men by God, not great men made God's by God.  the prophets served God, led people, built arcs...in essence, fulfilled the will of God.  

I am not saying that God did not impart this knowledge about the hurricanes on you, but what I am asking you is "What are you going to do with this knowledge?"  Why waste time on counting the odds of it happening? It did happen......now what does he want you to do with it?

This is just the way I feel about it....

How many "prophets" have you met?  The numbers are convincing me, so I guess you could say that I'm in a self exploratory phase.  Smiley

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